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I dont want to spend my life in fear waiting for Armageddon. On the other hand it is impossible to ignore the fact that a plan for globalization that destroys the US economy and Constitution is underway.

Im getting ready for something. Im not sure what but its something. Exactly what are people here preparing for and how are they preparing?
I would be curious to hear what peoples thoughts and plans are for what is coming.

Personally since Bush signed the new directive on May 19 giving himself total power over the emergency declaration policy of the US I have been very uncomfortable. WTF was that about?

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Personally since Bush signed the new directive on May 19 giving himself total power over the emergency declaration policy of the US I have been very uncomfortable. WTF was that about?

That's about a president who thinks he is a king and does not have to answer to anyone about his actions....."devine right" and all that horse manure that we thought we threw out in the last revolution.

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we've had creeping increases in federal and presidential powers since Lincoln was president. SOmetimes it backs off a little. The sky is not falling.

Your survival plan depends on who and where you are and what you are trying to accomplish. Refugees and peasants just "survive." Other kinds of people have more aggressive plans and contingency plans for how to accomplish them.

Figure out what you are trying to accomplish in life first, then worry about surviving later. We all gotta dead one day. What will you accomplish meanwhile?

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Here's the easy way. Just start weaning yourself off the system one step at a time. Choose a life of self-sufficiency and most things that impact society won't touch you. You'll feel better about your life even if the S doesn't HTF. Start by learning how to plant, harvest, and preserve produce. Also learn how to harvest and preserve meat. Don't forget to learn how to live on CASH alone - no banks. This is a good start. One of the more advanced maneuvers is to set asside 100 6-packs of toilet paper. First, just work on the basics.

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My position is pretty much the same as SLV's. I don't even know if I would call myself a "survivalist," I think of myself more as a homesteader. I live on a small farm and try to produce everything I can for myself.

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Everyone should have an emergency store of goods and you can build it slowly and on a regular basis. Always buy extra of "on sale" staple goods.
We live with more occuring natural disasters, fires, quakes, floods, hurricanes. It doesn't hurt to have large duffle type bags in the event you would need to bug out.
There are lists out on what disappears first but you can ask yourself what you would need in the event systems were disrupted for a prolonged period of time. A given is to have a supply of the 4 G's.
The best thing you can prepare is your mind and never given into fear. A cool head almost always prevails.
Living under a rock is not the answer.
Life goes on.

Important add! QUIT SMOKING! and get your fat bodies back in shape so you don't fall victim to a failing medical system!

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144 in a box, 10 boxes stored. Plastic wrap inside, plastic wrapped outside ( black box on left)

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Nice... we keep our towel closet STUFFED and rotate through our stock. We wait until we need about ten packs then we drop $10 at China-mart for the cheap stuff.

PS - Homeland Security and FEMA want to have a talk with you... :smokin:

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Yup. That's enough to stock one FEMA camp for a month. "We need to have a talk with you Mr. MN..."

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I keep a few tons on the hoof at any one time.....like ole "hamburger" here....

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You named your cow "hamburger"...good name! :D

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Concentrate on the BASICS first. Things you won't be able to get easily after a SHTF event. Water, heat, the ability to produce food, protection. You can stackpile a ton of food but eventually in will be gone. If you can't produce, or procure it somehow, you've got a problem

A lot of these things are extremely cheap right now, but will be viscously expensive later, or not available at all.

SB

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I instead buy Charmin Company stock and futures and regularly scare the shit out of everybody with my End-Of-The-World rumors. I like to think of it as my pump-and-dump stock market strategy. It works! Andy has made me rich. Don't forget to hoard a lot of beans too!

:smokin:

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Im making a list. I got my PMs straight already. Im working on weapons now. Then a list of supplies. Water seems to be the complicated issuesn though.

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jaima,
Since you asked, this has been posted here several times. But since you asked so nicely, here it is again. Modify it to YOUR needs...

#1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy.. target of thieves; maintenance, etc.)
#2. Water Filters/Purifiers (Shipping delays increasing.)
#3. Portable Toilets (Increasing in price every twomonths.)
#4. Seasoned Firewood (About $100 per cord; wood takes 6 - 12 mos. to become dried, for home uses.)
#5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
#6. Coleman Fuel (URGENT $2.69-$3.99/gal. Impossible to stockpile too much.)
#7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots
#8. Hand-Can openers & hand egg beaters, whisks (Life savers!)
#9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugars
#10. Rice - Beans - Wheat (White rice is now $12.95
- 50# bag. Sam's Club, stock depleted often.)
#11. Vegetable oil (for cooking) (Without it food burns/must be boiled, etc.)
#12. Charcoal & Lighter fluid (Will become scarce suddenly.)
#13. Water containers (Urgent Item to obtain. An size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY)
#14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
#15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
#16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur by September, 1999.)
#17. Michael Hyatt's Y2K Survival Guide (BEST single y2k handbook for sound advice/tips.)
#18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
#19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula/ointments/aspirin, etc
#20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
#21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
#22. Vitamins (Critical, due 10 Y2K-forced daily canned food diets.)
#23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item.)
#24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products
#25. Thermal underwear (Tops and bottoms)
#26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets & Wedges (also, honing oil)
#27. Aluminum foil Reg. & Hvy. Duty (Great Cooking & Barter item)
#28. Gasoline containers (Plastic or Metal)
#29. Garbage bags (Impossible to have too many.)
#30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, paper towels
#31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake liquid every 3 to 4 months.)
#32. Garden seeds (Non-hybrid) (A MUST)
#33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
#34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit: 1(800) 835-3278
#35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
#36. Fire extinguishers (or.. large box of Baking soda in every room...)
#37. First aid kits
#38. Batteries (all sizes... buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
#39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
#40. BIG DOGS (and plenty of dog food)
#41. Flour, yeast & salt
#42. Matches (3 box/$1 .44 at WalMart: "Strike Anywhere" preferred. Boxed, wooden matches will go first.)
#43. Writing paper/pads/pencils/solar calculators
#44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime)
#45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
#46. Flashlights/LIGIITSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
#47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (Jot down ideas, feelings, experiences: Historic times!)
#48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water transporting - if with wheels)
#49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
#50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
#51. Fishing supplies/tools
#52. Mosquito coils/repellent sprays/creams
#53. Duct tape
#54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
#55. Candles
#56. Laundry detergent (Liquid)
#57. Backpacks & Duffle bags
#58. Garden tools & supplies
#59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
#60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
#61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
#62. Canning supplies (Jars/lids/wax)
#63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
#64. Bicycles... Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc.
#65. Sleeping bags & blankets/pillows/mats
#66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
#67. Board Games Cards, Dice
#68. d-Con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
#69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
#70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks...)
#71. Baby Wipes, diapers, tampons, oils, waterless & Anti-bacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
#72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
#73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
#74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
#75. Soysauce, vinegar, boullions/gravy/soup base
#76. Reading glasses
#77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
#78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
#79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
#80. BSA - New 1998 - Boy Scout Handbook (also, Leader's Catalog)
#81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
#82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
#83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
#84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
#85. Lumber (all types)
#86. Wagons & carts (for transport to & from open Flea markets)
#87. Cots & Inflatable mattresses (for extra guests)
#88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
#89. Lantern Hangers
#90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws, nuts & bolts
#91. Teas
#92. Coffee
#93. Cigarettes
#94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc.)
#95. Paraffin wax
#96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
#97. Chewing gum/candies
#98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
#99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
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Here is some info on water filters, hope this helps

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wow, that is a massive list.

It might be easier to move to Australia or NZ...pretty safe here for those WTSHTF days. :bull-buddy-icon:

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I can sail. Depending on how things go you may very well find me anchored out in Mercury Bay someday.

That said you guys don't have any special insulation from political problems and that is what I'm most concerned with. I can handle pretty much any adversity that comes my way, all I want is to be free.

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Here is all you need to know for water - Berkey: http://www.berkeywater.com/

It'll filter pond water or piss if you need it to. Don't forget to get the additional fluoride filters.

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Oh yeah, on the subject of water the Berkeys are good. If you know how to make charcoal you can also ensure that you will always be able to make your own water filter, too. I drink tea, boiling the water also helps to sterilize it.

I don't know where you live but it would also be a good idea to have one or more rain barrels per person and/or a pond on your property even if you have a well with a manual pump.

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the other day some GIM users were recommending whiz chugging as therapeutic. I wanted to chat about it but the mods scolded me for soliciting comments in a thread about it.

one thing I read is that urine is sterile when it micturates from the bladder, thence only to get germy in the urethra. so the problem with drinking urine, if any, lies in its mineral and acidic waste components.

I think it sounds gross and crazy, but if I were marooned on a lifeboat in the ocean or something like that I would do it.

You know the guy who got trapped rock climbing, and then sawed his arm off with a pocketknife to get free? I read an article about this and he hung up there for three or more days first before he started hacking away at his arm. he had a camelback that ran out of water the first day. he then pissed into the camelback at least twice and recycled his urine that way. he said come the third time round it was almost brown he was so dehydrated and it was so concentrated. that's when he started sawing his arm off with his pocketknife.

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I remember the story of the climber. There have been others who have drunk each other's urine to stay alive. It sounds gross, but until you've been there...

The Berkey is so amazing it wouldn't surprise me if urine filter through there to be clear and odorless.

urine still
 

check this out

http://jetcityjimbo.net/awful_wonderful/37.shtml

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Oh, so you want to talk about gross...

Well, don't drink urine straight from the bladder, bad idea. It contaminates you more than it staves off dehydration and major organs can shut down as a result. You can use it for cleansing wounds or other similar purposes. The only thing that guy was really accomplishing was relieving thirst.

There is a part of your body specifically designed to extract useable water from waste products, and it's located up your tailpipe. If you have a piece of rubber hose you can even process a suprising ammount of saltwater that way but I doubt you'll enjoy it. There's been at least one family shipwrecked at sea who survived that way.

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My survival plans. Duck and cover.

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Number one: move to safer location...small town as far away from big cities as possible. Preferably one with essential services, local doctor, dentist, some sort of agriculture.

Number two: locate near source of ground water or be prepared to store as much as you can.
http://www.plastic-mart.com/class.php?cat=109

Number three: EVERYTHING ELSE (see other's comments above)

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My plan is not to get sick and die, and not to get killed. See? I've thought it through. :)

I could leave or stay, I wouldn't be that bad either way, leaving is probably a good idea though as most people will sit in the city and wait for government rescue, and we know how
that turns out...

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Location helps a lot but depending what happens there isn't really many places you can go where you can expect not to be found. Refugees will be shipped all over the place, armies moving cross country will stumble upon you by pure accident, etc. There are well more than 6 billion people alive right now and that number will just about double within many of our lifetimes. The world is just a whole lot smaller than it was even in the 70's.

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But still, you gotta admit that if you are living self-sufficiently in Alaska that's about as good as it gets. On the other hand... 80 degrees year-round in Dominica with every plant on this jungle island dropping food all around you.

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women, booze....

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I can't help anything. I live too close to New York, Philadelphia, and DC, so I will die if any of those crucial targets get nuked.

As for martial law, if that was going to happen, it would have happened a long time ago, likely right after 9/11.
President Bush may be a megalomaniac, but he knows his approval ratings are terrible and his ideology is for the most part going extinct, so he wouldn't pull something stupid like that.

Hillary, on the other hand, would likely use martial law powers to send opponents of feminism to "tolerance camps," or to create a socialist national health care system in the name of fighting "terrorist price gouging."

Just kidding about Hillary. (Let's HOPE it's just a joke...)

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Search the threads as this has been well-hashed for all newcomers.

I'll say the same as always:

Imagine you're going to a new home on the Mayflower or a covered wagon and you need to bring everything with you. What would you bring?

Luckily, history will tell you. Start with the simplest Bronze-Age goods, blankets, axe, file, ponchos, shoes. Things to make baskets, plant seeds and skin animals. Once you have a firm grasp of how things were done down at that level, then you can move up.

It's 1790, now you have wagons, wheelbarrows, gunpowder. What did the colonist most need to live? Saws and traps, things to catch rabbits and squirrels, build cabins, dig wells, and carry goods, plant orchards and scythes and barns for hay.

It's 1890, life is moving right along. Now we have cartridge guns, all-steel shovels and wheel hoes, harvesters, spring-fed "root" cellars, automatic planters, even tractors! We have stationary Lister engines, electricity, lights, rubber gummies and macintoshes, telegraphs and bicycles. What do you need to live in this advanced state of development?

1990 Cold war has ended. Instant communication is possible, with radios, cell phones, automobiles, and spy satillites. There is night-vision gear and bullet-proof vests, light-weight backpacking gear and foods, and down/synthetic coats and sleeping bags. Is there anything new and indispensible in this category?

Here's my feeling: If you have a tractor and plow, you still need a shovel, so you end up with BOTH a plow AND a shovel. But the shovel is first. If you get chased out of somewhere, you'll take the shovel first as it's lighter, smaller, more versatile, and more primary.

If you can learn to fill your needs with the basics: blanket-cloak, broagies, belt hatchet and chert-knife, then you need never fear because if you were air-dropped into the landscape you could always recreate everything you need. Then if your goods are burnt or stolen, you are still free and need bow to no man. However, if you start at the level of gold, guns, and canned goods, and those goods are taken or run out, you are destitute. This means that KNOWLEDGE is your only real need. And practice.

Focus on what goods you can create for yourself in food and shelter, knowing that buying things is a quick way to move up the ladder without having to tan every pair of shoes yourself. Then you can fully appreciate what a wonder it is--and buy things intellegently, according to their real use.

TS

PS, TP is the LAST on my list. I wouldn't buy a sheet, much less store it. You notice no one troubled to invent it until the 20th century and flush plumbing. I think they must be putting you on.

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With a gun and the ability to use it you can round up a hell of a lot of other stuff. LOL. I am full of jokes today but nobody seems to find them amusing.

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I definitely recommend John Wiseman's survival handbook(s). Never read Hyatt's Y2K survival guide, but I'm sure wiseman's stuff is better.

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Spoken like a true bachelor..... :D

Hot showers were another invention of the 20th century.....but I'm so in love with mine, I built a wood fired water heater to go with my gravity fed spring so I never plan to be without one.

It's the little things that make life worth living....ahahahaaaaaaa

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Excellent post TS! Minimalism is underrated and often ignored at your peril.

:wavey:

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We should compile a GIM list on stuff to have WTSHTF. I'm too lazy to start a thread for it though.

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I'll just hold out as long as possible, though in dire circumstances, keep in mind:
a relatively-painless death is preferable to one at the hands of the enemy...realism and optimism are often diametrically opposed.

bah! do you want to live forever?
 

HEY! Are you saying you want a "straw death?" Time to go back and reread the Havamal, my good fellow. And learn to rist thyself with a spear point.

ref. Ynglingasaga 9

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I agree. When the 7-11 mini-Marts run out of tobacco and beer and coffee we have a couple weeks of terror to avoid then maybe another month of dwindling mayhem. Six weeks should do it. Hide.

:smokin:

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I loathe all this run for the hills crap. If there is a prolonged civil breakdown, then I say there will be scores to settle and territory to gain. YEEEE HAA! :D

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:yippee: I made my list! Yippie!

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Umm.... and that will favor the organized homeland sec boys....
You run for the hills NOW! NOW, not after it hits the fan...get yourself in the best possible easily defendable high ground.... :haha::hahaha:go ahead and try to survive with your "perps" in the suburbs with a thousand ill prepared zombies starved to the bone smelling your food cooking indoors....they out # you by thousands..GOOD CHOICE homeboy!:confused_ma:

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Already in IDAHO.

:yippee: BRING IT ON!

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Everyone with Bad eyesight should consider getting a extra set or two of glasses. I know I couldn't last very long without them.

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http://www.northvegr.org/lore/heim/001_09.php this is the 9th part(?) of the Ynglingasaga?

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I'm going to save a tree and eat a beaver.

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After seeing "I Am Legend", I have altered my plans somewhat... :bath:

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I like the calico ***** cat

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Mwuhahahahaha!! :bear_w00t:

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Blend in.

I feel like I'm leading a triple life: By day, a hi-tech working Mom. By night, a white-knuckled, bear-leaning jr. macro-economic analyst in training and amateur pm market timer. And on weekends, a budding survivalist. Is enough to drive one crazy, living amongst so much high tech and frivolous excess while preparing for fiscal Armageddon.

I live deep in suburbia, but have a fairly large lot with fruit trees and wine grapes. Big dogs (German shepherds). I am pretty much hoarding bulk food at this stage: cooking oil, dry goods, coffee, chocolate, beans, TP, etc... Also water and ready-to-eat stuff like spam, canned food, etc... basically meandering my way through the lists posted here.

I don't yet have a bug-out spot in the boonies, or a mountain house (which is what I really want). Can't quite swing it now and am expecting a good buy point some few years hence. So until then, I try to blend in. I try to be a very good neighbor, and have a little fruit stand at various times. Plan is that I would be able to feed quite a few folks if TSHTF, and make & barter wine, and try to serve as some sort of anchor around my area.

Until then, I love my little suburban "farmhouse", and I have a decent job, so I try to enjoy life. Sadly, I am so freaked out by the economic situation and other news that I have to keep reminding myself to live "in the moment" and not dwell on the future trauma I foresee. Spending too much time here, no doubt.

I should get out and talk to more of my neighbors instead, say about the RP blimp & tea party. I have a few more voter registrations to deliver, and am expecting some RP DVDs I can spread around.

Wouldn't it be great if all this planning went unneeded?

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I'll be dining on jackrabbit and deer.


NOOB


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from your own link, an explanation http://www.northvegr.org/lore/rydberg/066.php

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there you guys go about drinkin piss again. :shocked_ma:

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OK here's one of my survival plans.

Leave surviving issue on this Earth long after me, under any circumstances. More links in the blood chain between us and our ancestors.

To do that you got to have a family.

Maybe some of yous would consider adding that to your plans.

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Jaima, you have started a good line here. One I have seemed many times in other places. As usual, many different people have said smart things and you are already starting to do them. Excellent.

I think the list that is posted here is way too long. (I used to have one just like it)

Someone said STFU, fantastic advice, especially if you don't live in a sparse area.

The video posted at #35 shows lots of things you shouldn't do if you want to survive. They ran a generator. They boarded up doors on the outside for everyone to see. They had a gun, but no bullets(bad idea-sets things into motion you won't want). They threatened poeple. Don't get me wrong, they did a lot of good things too, but you don't want to attract attention.

Someone here talked about blending in. This is very important!!!!!!!! You don't want to look like you are eating well. Don't bathe much(smell like a European). Don't use deodorant. There will always be someone else that isn't doing well and hunger is a phenomenal motivator. Cold people will want to get warm. People without a gun will want to get one. The list goes on and on. The more you have, the more you put yourself at risk.

Is it imortant to help other people? Yes and yes and yes!!!. But don't draw unwnted attention to yourself. Never give people food out of your home, ever. Make it appear you found it somewhere else and that source dried up. Encourage people to do things for themselves. They need to keep moving, they need to become self-reliant. Encouragement is free, but don't over do it.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Bury some things. Let the grass grow over it. Pray to God you can find it later!!!!!


When TSHTF I want my place to soon look like a dump. Like I don't have anything. If there is disease going around put a few dead birds around the place. A dead cat or dog is effective too. I don't want anyone to know I have anything but dirt to eat just like them and that we are sick too. If people come around scrounging for things make it look like you are so desperate and crazy you could do anything. I won't pull a gun out except as a last resort. If I have too, it means someone has to go down. Problem is, that will just draw more attention.

After the initial anarchy has passed(2-4 months maybe) and a majority of people have either died of hunger, disease, or violence some of these rules will start to change. Then we start the dangerous process of rebuilding trust and bartering with things. Still be very cautious.

Sounds grime doesn't it. It is and it will be........God help us and good luck

The people who can balance all of these concepts do have a very good chance of surviving this scenario. Humans have done this over and over throughout history. You are already well ahead of most as you have taken the first steps. Remember, though, it will be very hard. It will not be like camping. Don't let depression get you. Keep moving, keep thinking!!!!

Another thing to remember, everyone's situation will be different. For some anarchy will be sudden, for others it will be slow. Some will band into small groups for mutual defense. Not a bad idea unless it leads to tribal warfare, but maybe that is still the best choice. Be flexible, be creative.

SB

PS I would encourage critiques on what I have said. There are a lot of very capable people on this forum. If I'm being stupid I'd like to hear it!!!!!

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all these survivalist fantasies have one feature in common.

the absense of a government.

why I dont know. one man's nightmare is another man's fantasy. I think for us it is sometimes a little of both.

But in reality there is ALWAYS a government. How do you know?

Easy answer. Its the biggest strongest gang that can hold its territory against the others and impose rules by force.

Simple as that. Back to Hobbes we go.

You got to know, therefore, who will be the gang that replaces the government, if any, in your territory. You got to know who's got the power and who's going to have it, and how to treat with both.

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Great post!

You all will want to read "Patriots - Surviving the Coming Collapse"
by James Wesley, Rawles...

http://www.survivalblog.com/img/patr...over_front.jpg

Its plot includes a complete US Dollar collapse and TOTAL SHTF.
The book is LOADED with survival tips including what gear to get
It reads like a Tom Clancy book. So good I could hardly put it down!!!

Get it here:
http://www.survivalblog.com/writings.html#Patriots or Amazon.com

:applause_

PS: When TSHTF, Yes there will be a lot of hungry ZOMBIES looking for food.

Many of them will band together into roving gangs hitting neighorhoods and
cities and pillaging everything and everyone. Be prepared!

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Don't worry. We are going to be A-OK!:bear_tongue:

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Ditto THAT! Im in yellowstone country in Wyo......:smokin:..more cattle than people (450,00 in the whole STATE!...)

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:shakehand Lemme know if you ever need ammo JD.

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The responses have been great. I saw the list and I did watch the video in 35Oh, that is so depressing. I don't know if I want to be around for that. My sense of responsibility towards my kids demands that I have to stay around but it looks so bleak. Still I find myself preparing. :(

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You must be expecting ALOT of S*** to hit the fan:D

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QWAK,It is TOO bad the LADY that started this thread is no longer around to READ it!

jaima if you are out there -- please come back,I miss reading your posts!:signs4:

As for as the gross, child like men,even if they are too MOCHO (?) to admit it, your contributions were very much apreciated.:wink:

SURVIVING requires THINKING diferently and some BOYS have not figured THAT part out -- YET!:s9:

IF people don't change there MINDS about a whole lot of THINGS then SURVIVING is a lot LESS LIKELY and even IF they DO then they will just be RECREATING what FELL apart RATHER than somthing NEW and BETER!:thinkey::yes:

But what do I know :questionm I'm just a DUCK.:dontknow:

the DUCK

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Just buying time, we can buy ourselves one year at the moment; just one year.

If we can get house paid off this year, we might be able to buy ourselves 18 months (I keep revising forecast with inflation). If we can get in a big enough garden and the chicks/peasants/geese/ducks/rabbits/windmill/solar/cooking stove; could buy us a lot more time; but not investing in the mega garden (are still gardening, just building it bigger each year as funds permit) and not investing into the critters or alternative energy until the house is paid off, won't do any good, the bankers would just get it all.

Keeping credit lines up and open, and still using them for essentials, i.e,. gas/groceries, but paying off in full each month---just in case we need to max them out...will do if necessary.

Planning on taking out a HUGH home equity loan if things get too shaky for husband's job BEFORE we get the house paid off...have to time this just right; don't want to be hasty, but prudent, if odds are his job will be gone in "x" months, will do it before the layoff while credit/income is still good; without a 2nd thought...versus losing it all in the end to the bank.

Again, just buying time. Long term, who knows what will transpire, but what everyone says about keeping your cash/PMs and maxing out your credit first, is good advice for buying time if it gets that bad; I'm not maxing out credit now, we are debt-free other than house, but I'm reading the tea leaves, and I will not hesitate to max out all credit sources and pocket the cash if it looks like that is what we HAVE to do; but I won't until I have too, our 1st goal is to pay off house, but if we can't, when it comes to it, we will max everything out while we still have the small window of opportunity; because if you work for a living, and you lose your job and no one is hiring, or hiring at a pay rate that will not support the house & basics, that's all we think we will be able to do, unless we are already fairly self-sufficient, i.e., food/water/heat source, paid off property/vehicles, etc (not there yet, but working towards it).

Might borrow some ghost funds from family member, let them lien the house in the process. And once it's all gone---bankruptcy American style, using available funds to buy good truck/5th wheel, title in relative's name, and off to relative's farm land in another state to park the rig & survive, IF it gets this bad, and we will have to work for cash in the local communities doing whatever.

The banks/creditors can hunt us down, it'll take 'em awhile to find us, we won't run off and file bankruptcy voluntarily and open ourselves up to discovery. We're just not going to make it easy for them.

So we have horrible credit reports, we'll clean it up later (a year or two later) with a good starving attorney---cheap. Won't erase the bad credit, but will erase everything else, but my family WILL eat. Eventually the creditors will find you, i.e., driver's licence, IRS, etc., but you can delay for a year, maybe two or more if you're not filing income taxes (not legitimately working). Long enough to clear some of your paper trails/banking records and explain away the money you pocketed, i.e., used it to survive for 2-3 years. You can drive on an out-of-state DL for quite a while if you've just renewed it (and don't get repeatedly pulled over). You just can't have ANY assets in your name.

This is worst case scenario for us, and we'd only do it under dire dire circumstances, if our backs were truly up against the wall. But we've planned for those circumstances. We figure we can fit 3 kids, 2 adults & 2 dogs in the 5th wheel; the horses are another matter.

We have plans: A, B & C :) Maybe we need to add a D and E.

P.S. Whoops forgot, the horse trailer will be loaded with supplies...towed by the old van :)

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Hey J.D. Sweet Avatar! :applause_

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Jaima,

I gotta tell you, I have been very impressed with your comments on this forum. Not to be sexist (well ok, just a bit), most of the women in our society just don't seem to have the 'survival' fabric I sense with you.
Good on'ya, and keep yur chin up.

As far as water goes, catch what you can if you don't have a well. Collect what you can from rooftops via gutters and drain pipes, and drain it through a homemade filter made of charcoal or diatomaceous earth packed in a drum(check on internet). If need be, create a collection surface on a balcony if you are in an apartment.

Ok, now for the biggest peice of advice..........get the hell out of the city if you are in one.

Best wishes Jaima

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You're right in saying to remember to live in the moment. I also often struggle with trying to "forget" how shitty things are, and I'm sure we are not the only two. I find it best to surround yourself often with family and good friends and make time to savour the flavour of the good things in your life.

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My survival plan is to raid head offices of survival companies such as mountain house, Find their client list then travel from city to city , state to state visiting you guys one by one. I will start out asking nicely, then move on the black mail � give me some of your supplies or I�ll tell the zombie world you have it � If that doesn�t work then my rogue gang shall apply force, Of course I could Barter my Gold for your Chit. But that�s not the world we will be living in.

See Ya Soon�..:D

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I ordered $1000 worth of food from the US. It was cheap because the dollar is weak. I've got 7 convenience stores within a 5 minute walk of where I live, all open 24 hours, but I'm stocking up to spend my cash, invest in food, and, on the off chance that TSHTF, live longer. (I think an earthquake is more likely, but I'll be prepped for that as well.)

Thanks to TN...Andy for his preparation recommendations.

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Haha!

Longer term, networking with likeminded will be required. Better start figuring out who those likeminded will be now sooner than later.

Also if you're white-collar, picking up a new trade on the side might come in handy if this gets really bad. I'm considering some options myself, possibly bee-farming. :)

Made the switch from consulting to a government job two years ago. Seems I was a bit early in my predictions.

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yah tankz...i hope eet duznt oohvend anyvon...:D